Monitorare il Consumo della Batteria

[lifestream]

Niente non appena ho riflashato e ricalibrato i consumi sn raddoppiati in stand-by per non parlare quando lo uso

[alexilsecco]

Niente non appena ho riflashato e ricalibrato i consumi sn raddoppiati in stand-by per non parlare quando lo uso

Mah, davvero strano. Di che ROM stiamo parlando? Sicuro di averla riflashata per bene dopo un full wipe compresa la Dalvik?

[stalk3r88]

Dicci che ROM hai usato e che passaggi hai fatto... in quanto anche io ho fleshato il mio device ieri e da stock consumavo il 2% all'ora ora con la revolution HD consumo lo 0.8% all'ora.

[linux33it]

Niente non appena ho riflashato e ricalibrato i consumi sn raddoppiati in stand-by per non parlare quando lo uso

se non sbaglio hai diversi problemi anche con la sd,riavvi,consumi, e non so cos'altro
ho il fato si è accanito su di te o stai facendo degli errori
se non riparti da zero e magari provi con un'altra sd non ne esci
il primo punto è avere una istallazione stabile poi si vede per i consumi
affrontare tutto insieme è il modo migliore per peggiorare le cose
cambia sd e segui quello che c'è qui
https://www.androidiani.com/forum/mo...te-la-rom.html

[MLK]

WiFi attivo e connesso.. gps e sincronizzazione.

2011/04/08 02:01:49,-7mA,54%
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[linux33it]

WiFi attivo e connesso.. gps e sincronizzazione.

2011/04/08 02:01:49,-7mA,54%

2011/04/08 06:00:07,-71mA,40%


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è evidente che hai qualcosa che rimane attivo in stand by
qualche applicazione o chissa cosa.....sicuro di non aver attivato l'account HTC..?

[MLK]

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2011/04/08 09:15:52,-101mA,30%
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2011/04/08 09:17:56,-54mA,29%
2011/04/08 09:19:13,-71mA,29%
2011/04/08 09:20:16,-5mA,29%
2011/04/08 09:21:26,-69mA,28%
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2011/04/08 09:23:27,-3mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:24:36,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:25:46,-68mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:26:56,-9mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:28:05,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:29:06,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:30:08,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:31:19,-18mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:32:21,-3mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:33:22,-5mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:34:25,-68mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:35:25,-68mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:36:25,-62mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:37:28,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:38:38,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:39:47,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:40:57,-68mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:42:06,-61mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:43:16,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:44:25,-73mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:45:25,-42mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:46:29,-71mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:47:30,-68mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:48:32,-25mA,28%
2011/04/08 09:49:41,-5mA,27%
2011/04/08 09:50:41,-16mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:51:44,-29mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:52:44,-5mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:53:47,-39mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:54:57,-71mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:56:07,-5mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:57:15,-71mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:58:15,-68mA,26%
2011/04/08 09:59:17,-68mA,26%
2011/04/08 10:00:28,-5mA,26%
2011/04/08 10:01:39,-71mA,26%

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[alexilsecco]

Io sto messo più o meno come te, con un uso molto intenso che di solito faccio arrivo alle 18/19, non posso lamentarmi anche se mi piacerebbe avere quei consumi da 1% all'ora... Per me sono un miraggio!

[linux33it]

Io sto messo più o meno come te, con un uso molto intenso che di solito faccio arrivo alle 18/19, non posso lamentarmi anche se mi piacerebbe avere quei consumi da 1% all'ora... Per me sono un miraggio!

1% in stand by......

[MLK]

1% in stand by......

ma in utilizzo su che percentuali all'ora siamo?

che cosa dovrei cercare per diminuire un po' il consumo? intendo tra le app in funzione